[outdated] King of the Forest (Crit version)

Is the ranger version of this build thats in the marauder thread still viable? Aiming for guardians/shaper here, I want to find a nice bow build that actually uses ranger as its class heh.

Otherwise I might start this up as assasin.

Hello, I downloaded PoE yesterday and searched for a guide before I started on Breach-Hardcore. This Archer build looks amazaing to me!
Here my question: Is there another Skill Tree to follow if I go for HC or can I just use the one you posted in the leveling section (https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1775830) ?

What do you think about "Method to the Madness"?

I'm trying to determine if this version or marauder non crit version is better for a budget. I have like 40c to my name and farming white maps with a toon i want to replace. My goal would be to hit and run red maps, occasional uber lab runs. No real desire to push to shaper/guardians immediately.

any thoughts?

Could you make a video showing how the build performs in this league? Breaches, breachlords domains, this kind of stuff. I'm probably going to make this build with the more budget friendly gear (death's opus, 5 links and no +1 drillneck). Would I be able to do this content comfortably?

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bitbite11 が発言:

Is the ranger version of this build thats in the marauder thread still viable? Aiming for guardians/shaper here, I want to find a nice bow build that actually uses ranger as its class heh.

Otherwise I might start this up as assasin.

for guardians n shaper its better/easier to go with assassin, because he can reach those dps numbers with an opus already

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Dojkor が発言:

Hello, I downloaded PoE yesterday and searched for a guide before I started on Breach-Hardcore. This Archer build looks amazaing to me!
Here my question: Is there another Skill Tree to follow if I go for HC or can I just use the one you posted in the leveling section (https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1775830) ?

Hi this build is not exactly easy to play, especially not for a beginner, so be warned. otherwise yeahyou can go with the trees that i posted there, except that you might want to grab the all life nodes earlier than i did

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explaiz が発言:

What do you think about "Method to the Madness"?

too far away from the tree to be good

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dperls が発言:

I'm trying to determine if this version or marauder non crit version is better for a budget. I have like 40c to my name and farming white maps with a toon i want to replace. My goal would be to hit and run red maps, occasional uber lab runs. No real desire to push to shaper/guardians immediately.

any thoughts?

hi for low budget its better to go assassin and use a deaths opus; without reach of the council, the marauder version is not really good

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gustavokin が発言:

Could you make a video showing how the build performs in this league? Breaches, breachlords domains, this kind of stuff. I'm probably going to make this build with the more budget friendly gear (death's opus, 5 links and no +1 drillneck). Would I be able to do this content comfortably?

sure i'll try to record some vids with my current gear, which is about what you expect to have. I can say its plenty of dps and i alredy feel super strong... I did corrupted 8mod maps up until T15 all evening yesterday with friends to unlock the atlas, and all of them were easy to complete, even with difficult mods

Hi !

Currently I'm on A1 merc, just beat Brutus.
I took the poison ascendencies first, and snakebite as soon as I could sustain Blood rage, and I really think that this is the best advice I could give : as soon as you can sustain blood rage, get a snakebite (it's really cheap) and you'll already begin to see how this build works great ! With the poison tree the single target is really good (with a crap gear, see below).

I was wondering, what about Lioneye vs Death Opus with a 5L ?
It would be LA + Add Chaos + Inc Crit + Pierce + GMP for Lioneye, and swap GMP with Slower Proj. for Death Opus.
The base dps of Lioneye is really huge compared to Death Opus, and it's much cheaper, am I missing something about this ?

Thanks again for this great build !

Current crap gear :

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gustavokin が発言:

Could you make a video showing how the build performs in this league? Breaches, breachlords domains, this kind of stuff. I'm probably going to make this build with the more budget friendly gear (death's opus, 5 links and no +1 drillneck). Would I be able to do this content comfortably?

Its great.
I am running up to tier 10 maps pretty easy with not rly good equip. (didnt drop higher then t10 but should be probably fine till around t12)

Eq:

Now my own Questions:

1. As linked above i got these gloves....you think Arctic Armour rly makes that big of a difference or could i stay with herald of ice for the on hit? I feel like AA is overrated cause its only helps if you stand still what you dont rly wanna do as bow char....

2.You say Death Opus would sometimes be even better then Reach ....When? Cant see that its better in any Situation except maybe atziri cause less arrow to fuck up on the mirror one.
And got Deaths Opus and Lioneyes glare. Whats better for Single Target dmg? (Especially Itzaro cause i need to do uber soon)

3.Did the Ascendency notes as the OP Mentioned in the first Post.....So toxic tree last.
Will i still be able to do uber ok? I feel like i should but how much do these last toxic point rly help? Worth respeccing into them if i fail 1-2 times uber?

4.Did you make any adjustements this league on the tree ? If yes why?.

6. What does "double dipping" exactly meen? Probably something like double dmg cause of poison interaction....But could you explain it? Probably would help me to understand gear better.

7. With my gear above...What to upgrade next? Got no jewels yet....They are rly expensive with maxlife+2 other decent mods for us. Worth investing into them? Or should i go for Life and only one mod?

8.Why dont you pick up that one 18%evasion +12 life note at ranger start? Isnt it better then 5% max life note with already that lot of % increase?

5.Rly nice build.....Tanky as fuck (for a bow guy) and does dmg as hell too.
Played Neversinks and couple other LA/TS builds and this is by far superior, because
it does the same dmg as all these Glasscanons but is super tanky and i running around in a Tabula and not using QOTF yet.

Thx a lot for it.


Ps. as always sorry for my bad english :D

In case anyone was wondering.. this flask is amazing for this build. Combined with Atziri's Promise it doubles my DPS. And it lasts 6 seconds with 3 uses.. pretty great flask imo.

Its going well, already 16 reaches for sale. lets Keep boycotting these reach prices until we get them down to 6ex !! stay patient friends and get an opus meanwhile ;)



The good thing about opus is the insane crit multi, and 2 extra projectiles. that makes it alot stronger than glare, even though the base dps is lower.

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rossko が発言:

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Now my own Questions:

1. As linked above i got these gloves....you think Arctic Armour rly makes that big of a difference or could i stay with herald of ice for the on hit? I feel like AA is overrated cause its only helps if you stand still what you dont rly wanna do as bow char....

2.You say Death Opus would sometimes be even better then Reach ....When? Cant see that its better in any Situation except maybe atziri cause less arrow to fuck up on the mirror one.
And got Deaths Opus and Lioneyes glare. Whats better for Single Target dmg? (Especially Itzaro cause i need to do uber soon)

3.Did the Ascendency notes as the OP Mentioned in the first Post.....So toxic tree last.
Will i still be able to do uber ok? I feel like i should but how much do these last toxic point rly help? Worth respeccing into them if i fail 1-2 times uber?

4.Did you make any adjustements this league on the tree ? If yes why?.

6. What does "double dipping" exactly meen? Probably something like double dmg cause of poison interaction....But could you explain it? Probably would help me to understand gear better.

7. With my gear above...What to upgrade next? Got no jewels yet....They are rly expensive with maxlife+2 other decent mods for us. Worth investing into them? Or should i go for Life and only one mod?

8.Why dont you pick up that one 18%evasion +12 life note at ranger start? Isnt it better then 5% max life note with already that lot of % increase?

5.Rly nice build.....Tanky as fuck (for a bow guy) and does dmg as hell too.
Played Neversinks and couple other LA/TS builds and this is by far superior, because
it does the same dmg as all these Glasscanons but is super tanky and i running around in a Tabula and not using QOTF yet.

Thx a lot for it.


Ps. as always sorry for my bad english :D

1. yes you can do that - but does it make a difference? for mapping it kinda doesnt matter if you have full power charges or not. it only matters against superhard bosses, and they often come with adds, and the little cold damage wont be enough to freeze them, so better use herald of thunder.

Arctic armour is great, the chilled ground it leaves behind slows enemies that try to chase you, and the "tanky while stand still" is actually useful, because sometimes you get surprised by something while you stand still and try to shoot it with barrage - with barrage youre locked in place for a tiny amount of time, thats where it counts. but you can totally replace it by a herald, a blasphemyy curse, or a purity aura. i used puriy of elements for a long time before i had the right resists at thee start of the leeague.

2. it kinda depends on your gear ... if you have no crit multi on your gear, the boost of an opus is about from 300 to 450, so 1.5 times the damage. if you have the extra +2 barrage helmet, the bonus is from 4+2 barrage proj to 4+2+2=8, so 8/6= 1.33 times more damage. 1.5*1.33 = 2x more damage.
raech with the helmet has 4+2->4+2+4=10 projectiles, so 1.66x more damage. but has higher base damage and higher attackspeed, so opus is slightly better here probably.
you can do the math for your own setup. in general reach is better if you have no extra arrows, the more you get, the more in favour of opus it gets. in my cases, after factoring in all stuff, opus turned out to be as good as reach on dps.

3. no idea actually. the last two, toxic ones, matter alot. but so do the crit ones. maybe try to go daedly infusion last. the problem is to make toxic delivery worth it, you need crits.. to get crits, you kinda want deadly infusion. so there is no real answer here.

4. yes i did, check my progression thread

6. it means that a single damage stat is applied twice to your total damage output. in our case, a "double dipping" damage modifier is applied to both the arrow hit damage itself, as well as to the poison damage that it causes through snakebite.

simple example:

lets say your arrow does 100 damage, (and lets say you have no damage modifiers on your poison yet), so it will apply a poison of 8 damage/second for two seconds, since poison is 8% of the damage as chaos damage over time.

if you now get a "double dipping" 50% more damage multiplier, it will apply to both poison and the arrow:

50% more arrow damage => 150 damage

8% of that is applied as poison, so 12damage/scond for 2 seconds

BUT since the 50% more is a doubledipper, it will now boost the poison AGAIN, yes again. so 12*1.5= 18

so in total 18 poison damage per second for two seconds.

you see the OP-ness ? first it boosts the initial damage, then it comes in again to boost the poison on top. thats why its so overpowered broken strong. same thing with ignite. and that is why we try to only get damage modes, nodes and links that work like that, i.e. double dippers.

7. try go 5L your opus. then get a devoto, its a great movespeed upgrade

5. i am very happy you are having fun with it :)