The real problem of XP LOSS.

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Nyon#6673 が発言:

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Toforto#2372 が発言:

It doesn't teach you anything new. Everyone already knows dying is bad in a video game. That's obvious. You already lose time when you die and respawn at a checkpoint, especially in this game where everything is in slow motion because no movement skills.

Thats not obvious at all.
If they removed exp penalty then theres literally only two stats that would be important on my build:
1) Damage
2) Mobility

And then you would just blast maps as fast as possible and if you die every now and then it doesnt matter. Because even if I lose 10-15 secs by having to get back to the map then thats nothing compared to the time I gained by stacking damage instead of defense.

So then in reality dying wouldnt be bad, dying every now and then would be preferable to having to waste stats on defense. So you are incorrect.

And this is the playstyle they want to avoid. In addition to avoiding the restriction it would put on build adversity.

Ontop of robbing you of any sense of achievement in the game.

This argument could have been valid if if the game HAD build diversity, which it does not. An no, having a handful of narrowly-tailored barely viable builds does not cut it.

Unfortunately, the cult of infirmity and inferiority dominates modern society. It is much easier for many (but not all) to lower the bar in development than to try to improve themselves. The game is like a mirror reflecting these trends.

Instead of experimenting and improving their skills, all these characters prefer to stay at the bottom, but have the same achievements in the game as other players.

None of them has given a clear answer as to why they need level 100, and they probably don't understand the absurdity of this situation themselves. It looks something like this - yes, I'm a bad player of this game, but why should my lvl be lower than someone who plays well, it's unfair.

And meanwhile, as many have already said, taking lvl above 90-95 does not make much sense from a practical point of view, since this will not give you any significant increase in power. And even with the loss of experience, a complete imbecile cannot reach level 90. Further, this is a purely competitive effect, which is good because not everyone can achieve it, but only the best players.

For example, I only have level 95, but I'm not rushing further, because I understand that my build is not good enough for this. Yes, I'll take level 96 someday, but I certainly don't understand why I should cry on this topic on the forum, just because someone already has 100 lvl.

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Kerchunk#7797 が発言:

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Toforto#2372 が発言:

Ok so why can't people choose to play without exp loss in the options with a checkmark/slider?

I would actually support that provided your character was then capped at L70.

Lol why does there have to be this massive downside? Games are made to be fun not to always have these constant downsides to everything and non-stop stressful gameplay like PoE 2. Like where's the power fantasy? Where's the progression? Where's the millions of dps? Where are the damage numbers? The speed? The loot? Like man I just wanna relax and blast some maps, get some divs buy all the gear I want, buy all the carries for stuff I want and have fun making the builds I want. That's what PoE is all about, not whatever this game is atm.

People don't wanna play some dark souls elden ring whatever ripoff, they wanna play a fun arpg.

SC players are their biggest chunk of playerbase, its such a bad idea to chase them away with stuff like exp loss being non-optional. Its super bad for retention and profits. Just let people toggle this pointless death penalty on/off, just like how choosing SSF or HC is an option on character creation. It's not that hard of a solution.

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xxn1927#3319 が発言:

This argument could have been valid if if the game HAD build diversity, which it does not. An no, having a handful of narrowly-tailored barely viable builds does not cut it.

The game is in 0.2.0. Expecting the game to be balanced (especially when they just released a new class, weapon type and new gems) is unfair.

Also weither or not the game is currently balanced has no impact on the argument being valid or not. Just because the game CURRENTLY isnt balanced doesnt mean you should actively remove mechanics to further prevent it from becoming balanced.

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Toforto#2372 が発言:

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Kerchunk#7797 が発言:

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Toforto#2372 が発言:

Ok so why can't people choose to play without exp loss in the options with a checkmark/slider?

I would actually support that provided your character was then capped at L70.

Lol why does there have to be this massive downside? Games are made to be fun not to always have these constant downsides to everything and non-stop stressful gameplay like PoE 2. Like where's the power fantasy? Where's the progression? Where's the millions of dps? Where are the damage numbers? The speed? The loot? Like man I just wanna relax and blast some maps, get some divs buy all the gear I want, buy all the carries for stuff I want and have fun making the builds I want. That's what PoE is all about, not whatever this game is atm.

People don't wanna play some dark souls elden ring whatever ripoff, they wanna play a fun arpg.

SC players are their biggest chunk of playerbase, its such a bad idea to chase them away with stuff like exp loss being non-optional. Its super bad for retention and profits. Just let people toggle this pointless death penalty on/off, just like how choosing SSF or HC is an option on character creation. It's not that hard of a solution.

We dont want every single game to be only participation trophies.
We get it, you dont like it, but there are other games you can go play.
You dont have to spend every minute of every day complaining on a forum to have this game nerfed down to your level. Go play something else and then the people who enjoy challenging games can enjoy this.

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Nyon#6673 が発言:

We dont want every single game to be only participation trophies.
We get it, you dont like it, but there are other games you can go play.
You dont have to spend every minute of every day complaining on a forum to have this game nerfed down to your level. Go play something else and then the people who enjoy challenging games can enjoy this.

But that's the thing, we can all enjoy the game in the way we want if they just add the options for it. If you still want exp loss, you can leave it on. If other people don't enjoy it, they can turn it off. How would that be a bad thing? It wouldn't affect you in any way how others choose to enjoy this game.


That's like playing on Hardcore and being angry at people for playing Softcore, it makes no sense.

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Toforto#2372 が発言:

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Nyon#6673 が発言:

We dont want every single game to be only participation trophies.
We get it, you dont like it, but there are other games you can go play.
You dont have to spend every minute of every day complaining on a forum to have this game nerfed down to your level. Go play something else and then the people who enjoy challenging games can enjoy this.

But that's the thing, we can all enjoy the game in the way we want if they just add the options for it. If you still want exp loss, you can leave it on. If other people don't enjoy it, they can turn it off. How would that be a bad thing? It wouldn't affect you in any way how others choose to enjoy this game.


That's like playing on Hardcore and being angry at people for playing Softcore, it makes no sense.

Thats not how anything works.

The fact is that every game isnt made for everyone, and by trying to make it so all you would accomplish is every game being garbage.

You just have to own up to the fact that this isnt the type of game your going to ever enjoy and move on with your life.
There are plenty of easymode games with no penalties and easy bosses. Just go to steam top charts and its like 90% of them.

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Toforto#2372 が発言:

That's like playing on Hardcore and being angry at people for playing Softcore, it makes no sense.

This is a hardcore game. It has even been compared to another famous hardcore game.

Make it make you loose the level too. Make it a real problem then. Make it an even playing field.
Getting to a specific number is not the problem. But keeping that level will be a problem.
Im down for that. If you want to play a game like that, lets do in a fun way.
No safety net.
Hardcore softcore mode. wtf

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SpankyKong#9805 が発言:

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LiMA6#0387 が発言:

but im not looking for extreme punishment. only what's reasonable. i make mistakes, and i lose xp. i fault myself for it, and not anything else. with hardcore i need to learn certain disciplines, builds, principles and i CHOOSE to not play it. Key difference: its my own fault if i die, and i will get careless here and there and i blame myself, while your sort would blame everything other than yourselves.

Is your definition of reasonable such that one death can wipe out progress from dozens of prior maps? One split second mistake/glitch necessarily needs to set you back by many hours or days?

do i ask for ggg to revive my hardcore character if i die even if its lag or glitch or whatever?