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• Before patch 0.2, the game had a decent variety of viable builds.
LOL NO
and STILL no
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投稿者LeFlesh#9979日時 2025/05/21 17:49:42
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The problem with people like you is you think that GGG is so stupid that they would intentionally destroy the game and keep moving in the direction they are going without player support.
I want to believe you, however.
In the Ziz interview from April Jonathan said the most absurd tone def stuff, it makes me wonder if what you posted above can even be true.
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like do test runs of everything right and it's like if we made it so that there wasn't any challenge for me in act one I wouldn't play the game anymore but that isn't helping anyone right like I need to keep playing the game every night to actually enjoy myself it's like if I'm not enjoying myself then it's like how can I even develop the game correctly um so on some level it's like it has to be fun for me and I know that if you um like if if you get to the point of having like everything just be trivial it's like well okay like why am I even playing this anymore um so that there has to be like there has to be some level of challenge
Quote speaks for itself, it's mindbogglingly absurd.
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投稿者cyranis#7939日時 2025/05/21 21:13:56
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Johnathan's take of using himself as the test for whether something is fun, is fine if this was an indie project.
But it isn't. I really can't understand what made him think he should be the one single source for the definition of fun, in such a big game. :(
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投稿者kumogakure#7381日時 2025/05/21 21:52:41
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The early economy explosion and quick "game end" really doesn't help.
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投稿者addohm#8001日時 2025/05/21 22:08:35
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The problem with people like you is you think that GGG is so stupid that they would intentionally destroy the game and keep moving in the direction they are going without player support.
I want to believe you, however.
In the Ziz interview from April Jonathan said the most absurd tone def stuff, it makes me wonder if what you posted above can even be true.
Did you watch the same interview? What I saw was Ziz complaining about a lot of stuff without adding anything of real value or substance other than stuff like "Monsters are to fast" and then Jonathan asking for specific examples and then explaining why you want x thing to be the case. It seemed Ziz, among other streamers, were faced with a perfect problem...POE 2 showcased that they are not actually that good at games. Hence why they flock towards the games that typically require no skill and you can just face smash everything (see POE 1 or LE).
When it comes to GGG ruining their business...no business in the history of mankind has ever decided one day to just destroy their business model and go bankrupt. GGG has access to leagues of data beyond anything we have access to and every single patch reflects that. I would bet that a huge portion (80-150k) of people have the stand alone client and are actively playing and enjoying their experience.
We also, have to understand that almost 95% of the complaints on this forum are coming from the same 20-30 people and it NOT reflective of the larger community. You can just scour the feedback forum and find the same 20-30 people that I am speaking of. Those same people were faced with the same dilemma that the streamers faced...Their were forced to face the fact that they were not that great at the game and cannot accept that Death in a video game is a moment to reflect on how and why you died and overcome that challenge. I got 300+ deaths so far making a home-brew build and each death took me closer to making that build perfect.
I love POE 2 more than I loved POE 1. Is it perfect? Not by a long shot and each patch just makes the game better and better.
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投稿者Hyperspacing#5593日時 2025/05/21 23:15:43
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The problem with people like you is you think that GGG is so stupid that they would intentionally destroy the game and keep moving in the direction they are going without player support.
I want to believe you, however.
In the Ziz interview from April Jonathan said the most absurd tone def stuff, it makes me wonder if what you posted above can even be true.
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like do test runs of everything right and it's like if we made it so that there wasn't any challenge for me in act one I wouldn't play the game anymore but that isn't helping anyone right like I need to keep playing the game every night to actually enjoy myself it's like if I'm not enjoying myself then it's like how can I even develop the game correctly um so on some level it's like it has to be fun for me and I know that if you um like if if you get to the point of having like everything just be trivial it's like well okay like why am I even playing this anymore um so that there has to be like there has to be some level of challenge
Quote speaks for itself, it's mindbogglingly absurd.
Best if you just ignore that troll, everyone else does.
He likes to pretend that Steam data, Twitch, YouTube, Reddit, PoE forums, and every other platform aren't an accurate representation of the community.
Just keep providing quality feedback for GGG so they can steer the game back towards the epic success that launched them to the top 13 years ago.
Ignore the troll.
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Best if you just ignore that troll, everyone else does.
He likes to pretend that Steam data, Twitch, YouTube, Reddit, PoE forums, and every other platform aren't an accurate representation of the community.
Just keep providing quality feedback for GGG so they can steer the game back towards the epic success that launched them to the top 13 years ago.
Ignore the troll.
Its not pretending genius...its literally understanding that all those you listed are NOT the full data set and that GGG didn't just wake up one morning and go "Yup time to tank our million dollar business that puts food on all our tables"
How can you steer the game if you don't even play it? O yea cause you want POE 2 to be identical to POE 2...even though POE 1 still exist and apparently is the superior game...that you never play.
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投稿者Hyperspacing#5593日時 2025/05/21 23:37:51
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Best if you just ignore that troll, everyone else does.
He likes to pretend that Steam data, Twitch, YouTube, Reddit, PoE forums, and every other platform aren't an accurate representation of the community.
Just keep providing quality feedback for GGG so they can steer the game back towards the epic success that launched them to the top 13 years ago.
Ignore the troll.
Its not pretending genius...its literally understanding that all those you listed are NOT the full data set and that GGG didn't just wake up one morning and go "Yup time to tank our million dollar business that puts food on all our tables"
How can you steer the game if you don't even play it? O yea cause you want POE 2 to be identical to POE 2...even though POE 1 still exist and apparently is the superior game...that you never play.
Hush now, the adults are talking.
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The problem with people like you is you think that GGG is so stupid that they would intentionally destroy the game and keep moving in the direction they are going without player support.
I want to believe you, however.
In the Ziz interview from April Jonathan said the most absurd tone def stuff, it makes me wonder if what you posted above can even be true.
Did you watch the same interview? What I saw was Ziz complaining about a lot of stuff without adding anything of real value or substance other than stuff like "Monsters are to fast" and then Jonathan asking for specific examples and then explaining why you want x thing to be the case. It seemed Ziz, among other streamers, were faced with a perfect problem...POE 2 showcased that they are not actually that good at games. Hence why they flock towards the games that typically require no skill and you can just face smash everything (see POE 1 or LE).
When it comes to GGG ruining their business...no business in the history of mankind has ever decided one day to just destroy their business model and go bankrupt. GGG has access to leagues of data beyond anything we have access to and every single patch reflects that. I would bet that a huge portion (80-150k) of people have the stand alone client and are actively playing and enjoying their experience.
We also, have to understand that almost 95% of the complaints on this forum are coming from the same 20-30 people and it NOT reflective of the larger community. You can just scour the feedback forum and find the same 20-30 people that I am speaking of. Those same people were faced with the same dilemma that the streamers faced...Their were forced to face the fact that they were not that great at the game and cannot accept that Death in a video game is a moment to reflect on how and why you died and overcome that challenge. I got 300+ deaths so far making a home-brew build and each death took me closer to making that build perfect.
I love POE 2 more than I loved POE 1. Is it perfect? Not by a long shot and each patch just makes the game better and better.
You realize streamers like ziz and Ben play hardcore right? Comments on MS, defenses, resistances, all of these things have a significantly different context than standard gameplay. I wouldn't consider anyone that plays POE1 and POE2 exclusively in hardcore bad at the game, especially if they regularly play endgame content. Ben is one of the best ARPG players and has significant issues with this game, so I would not consider player skill a viable disclaimer on an opinion of the game.
Are you playing endgame with frequent deaths and having fun? I barely die and find the tower juicing / mapping system, so bad it prevents me from grinding endgame. I'm not a POE2 Doomer, but people complain when systems are bad at the foundation. In the current game state mapping, defenses, MS, crafting, build variety, and endgame content are foundationally bad and people are vocal about fixing it. Painting rainbows on a burning canvas doesn't make the problem better.
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投稿者E13ctric#2529日時 2025/05/21 23:59:18
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You realize streamers like ziz and Ben play hardcore right? Comments on MS, defenses, resistances, all of these things have a significantly different context than standard gameplay. I wouldn't consider anyone that plays POE1 and POE2 exclusively in hardcore bad at the game, especially if they regularly play endgame content. Ben is one of the best ARPG players and has significant issues with this game, so I would not consider player skill a viable disclaimer on an opinion of the game.
Are you playing endgame with frequent deaths and having fun? I barely die and find the tower juicing / mapping system, so bad it prevents me from grinding endgame. I'm not a POE2 Doomer, but people complain when systems are bad at the foundation. In the current game state mapping, defenses, MS, crafting, build variety, and endgame content are foundationally bad and people are vocal about fixing it. Painting rainbows on a burning canvas doesn't make the problem better.
I use to die every other map in end game but now its maybe 1 deaths ever 15-20 maps and yes I am still having fun. Its not about deaths for me tbh. Its exploring my homebrewed build and having fun.
You can complain about a game and say X,Y,Z need to be buffed/nerfed and that is completely fine. My only complaint is when people who don't even play the game try their damn hardest to turn this back to POE 1 lol
I give you the crafting for sure. It def can not be as RNG but I've never been much of a crafter tbh.
End game is great compared to the boring end game in POE 1. You can disagree with me and thats fine but I think POE 2 end game is leagues past POE 1.
Build variety is something I never understood. People point to the fact that a large portion is using LS but that doesn't mean other builds are not viable. I don't know a single person who is not using a off-meta build and not having a blast.
that last sentence is gold and I like it lol
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