The real problem of XP LOSS.

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LiMA6#0387 が発言:

I couldn't have said it better. What's crazy to me is these people ignore everything that's said, and then continue saying "xp loss bad and pointless and meaningless and not fun / unreasonable"

Yes its like trying to show a globe to a flat earther. Or explaining to them how the solar system works. Only for them to ignore everything you said and then talk about the secret nasa base in Antarctica.

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Imagine cooking your dinner chicken with chocolate and sugar instead of just salt and pepper and then complaining chicken tastes bad. git gud argument is valid.

Imagine cooking that dinner and having an option to sprinkle the salt instead of slapping a full kilo on every time you make a meal.

Imagine that , having a SLIDER for EXP loss from 0 - 100%

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LiMA6#0387 が発言:

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Nyon#6673 が発言:

Reaching level 90 is hilariously easy. And going from 90-100 is aprox a 5% power increase. Do you need that 5% power to play the rest of the game? No.

You just made an argument for why losing XP on death is pointless without even knowing it. Especially a 10% XP loss after lvl 90 when it's already a huge grind to gain XP.

do you need me to throw an omen at you? or are you going to remember what you're told before sprouting 10% over and over.

Omen is a workaround of a bad mechanic that requires me to spend currency. By suggesting an omen you are admitting that 10% is overkill. Even 2.5% is ridiculous in the 90s, unless I can actually recover my XP on my body

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LiMA6#0387 が発言:

Imagine cooking your dinner chicken with chocolate and sugar instead of just salt and pepper and then complaining chicken tastes bad. git gud argument is valid.

What a horrible analogy

you can't come up with anything better than assertions if you tried.

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Nyon#6673 が発言:

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LiMA6#0387 が発言:

I couldn't have said it better. What's crazy to me is these people ignore everything that's said, and then continue saying "xp loss bad and pointless and meaningless and not fun / unreasonable"

Yes its like trying to show a globe to a flat earther. Or explaining to them how the solar system works. Only for them to ignore everything you said and then talk about the secret nasa base in Antarctica.

You guys are in your own little world. I've dismantled your arguments for XP penalty several times and you flat out ignore it while just trying to attack the low hanging fruit.

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CovidPatientZero#0332 が発言:

You just made an argument for why losing XP on death is pointless without even knowing it. Especially a 10% XP loss after lvl 90 when it's already a huge grind to gain XP.

And no it doesn't eliminate glass cannon builds, it encourages glass cannons that clear the screen before getting hit. It encourages players to not engage with enemies because unless you have one of the few classes that can invest in high ES, defense just doesn't work well at all.

No I didnt. You cant just make up your own facts to try and fit your narrative.
Exp loss on death is a non issue unless you literally die two times per map.

Your argument doesnt work, because the reality is that all the popular builds do build defense because it is the correct way to play the game and because if you dont you will die and the game will punish you. Mechanic working as intended.

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LiMA6#0387 が発言:

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LiMA6#0387 が発言:

Imagine cooking your dinner chicken with chocolate and sugar instead of just salt and pepper and then complaining chicken tastes bad. git gud argument is valid.

What a horrible analogy

you can't come up with anything better than assertions if you tried.

Pot meet kettle. I've logically explained why XP penalty doesn't work with the current game balance, I've even logically laid out reasons why recoverable XP is a good compromise. You haven't engaged with any of my ideas

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Nyon#6673 が発言:

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CovidPatientZero#0332 が発言:

You just made an argument for why losing XP on death is pointless without even knowing it. Especially a 10% XP loss after lvl 90 when it's already a huge grind to gain XP.

And no it doesn't eliminate glass cannon builds, it encourages glass cannons that clear the screen before getting hit. It encourages players to not engage with enemies because unless you have one of the few classes that can invest in high ES, defense just doesn't work well at all.

No I didnt. You cant just make up your own facts to try and fit your narrative.
Exp loss on death is a non issue unless you literally die two times per map.

Your argument doesnt work, because the reality is that all the popular builds do build defense because it is the correct way to play the game and because if you dont you will die and the game will punish you. Mechanic working as intended.

Yes I did and it's clear as day. Didn't make up anything, it's based completely on my experience and others I've talked to. You just keep repeating the same generic talking points

do you need me to throw an omen at you? or are you going to remember what you're told before sprouting 10% over and over.[/quote]

Omen is a workaround of a bad mechanic that requires me to spend currency. By suggesting an omen you are admitting that 10% is overkill. Even 2.5% is ridiculous in the 90s, unless I can actually recover my XP on my body[/quote]

Assertions, more assertions. Further refusal to improve even when knowing nothing will change. We get careless sometimes, and there omen's help. And omen's are dirt cheap. So dirt cheap that I think they should be 1 divine each. Guess what, I'd still buy them. 10% xp is a lot, especially at high levels, and that's a VERY GOOD THING. embrace the pain. Now go fix your game / build whatever.

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LiMA6#0387 が発言:

Imagine cooking your dinner chicken with chocolate and sugar instead of just salt and pepper and then complaining chicken tastes bad. git gud argument is valid.

What? I'm not the one who put the exp penalty into the game. I'm not the one who "cooked" this meal, the meal is prepared by the devs. And players do not like it, so they are giving feedback. Checkmate.

No matter which way you look at it from it isn't the player's fault that they feel horrible when they lose hours of exp, its the game being bad. People already don't want to die in games, they already want to get stronger and make good builds. That's the whole point of an arpg? The Power Fantasy? Which is mysteriously missing from PoE 2.