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So in conclusion there are 3 categories of people thoughts about XP LOSS.
1. Those who want it to go away.
2. Those who want it to stay as it is.
3. Those who want it to stay but with different and more innovative way.
So why not ask Devs to give us a POLL?
The result will be critical for future actions.
They will never do that because 99.9% of the players are clueless and have no idea what the game needs to be good. The moment game developers stop making what they think are good decisions and start listening to whiners on a forum the game is dead.
It also is a topic thats not even worth having an opinion on because its obvious to anyone with an internet connection that theres a necessary reason why mechanics like this exists in all games. It would be as useful as having a poll on if the world is flat.
couldn't agree more. its the very reason why there are always few better players and much less of others in the first place in all games, profession, and anything that can display skill difference. world has too many people and very few philosophers in that regard.
`Spent 2 mirrors on my build, but I'm only Level 98.` LOL
`From just quick sweep of your characters, toxic rain, golems .. sure, non meta... sure.` LOL
`What are divs?`
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投稿者LiMA6#0387日時 2025/05/07 13:43:54保護観察中
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Please. I'm all for it. A Dev poll on this would be extremely useful and showing. Will set the perspective in place. I would not say a thing more about it if it turns out that those who want it gone are super minority.
And, when it turns out that most would like to see it go, and the devs still say, 'nah, its stayin'...
Then what?
Personally, i fucking hate the penalty, BUT... its not exactly a new thing, so, i guess im just used to it. Only once, have i ever made 100 on POE1 across all these years. Generally, just get too damn bored after 92-95.
When you hit 100, was it a sense of accomplishment?
Doing it in POE1 is easy, in POE2 its worse than a chore. and its not because of deaths. its because of xp gain being slow.
POE1 was not always 'as fast' as it is now to level. The game has changed much over the years. But yea, i dunno, it is what it is. I play solo, so obtaining 100 is always gonna be a lil harder (slower, maybe not harder) to accomplish then group runs.
Hell, i imagine after they removed random reflects, and made it a map mod only, that prolly sped things up in general 100%, lol. And then they even gave us ways to completely mitigate it. Ahh, the ole days.
I imagine later in this games life cycle, those last levels will also see faster ways to obtain than the current adventure.
GGG - Why you no? 最後に JoannaDark#6252 が 2025/05/07 13:49:17 に編集
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投稿者JoannaDark#6252日時 2025/05/07 13:44:33
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So you are thinking that people's ideas or thoughts or whatever is documented that didn't work, is a bad idea and cannot be taken into account by Devs? Ok so Devs need to end all the posts and leave only bugs posts.
No because every now and then someone gives good constructive feedback.
But most of the time it gets drowned out by people who would rather cry on a forum then watch a guide and try to not suck at the game.
Your complaining about something that literally isnt an issue and want them to remove something that is a necessary part of the game just because you dont want to get better at the game.
Reaching level 90 is hilariously easy. And going from 90-100 is aprox a 5% power increase. Do you need that 5% power to play the rest of the game? No.
Ok so its not a requirement. Do you find it fun to grind to level 100? Apperently you dont.
Ok so we have established that you dont have to reach level 100 and you dont enjoy grinding to level 100. And yet here you are complaining on a forum about something that is completely optional that you dont enjoy doing. Then just dont do it. I dont like ritual in this game, i never liked it in poe1 either. So I just dont do it, i dont sit all day making forum posts about having ritual removed because I dont like it.
The game needs a mechanic so dying in the game is a setback. If you dont have it then everyone can just make glass cannon builds and defense becomes pointless. You would just one shot everything and even if you die every now and then it doesnt matter because its still faster then if you built defense.
Also its a necessary part so that it feels rewarding to not die and then get rewarded with a few extra skill points.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/pZGyEuW1arU
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投稿者Nyon#6673日時 2025/05/07 13:57:41
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So you are thinking that people's ideas or thoughts or whatever is documented that didn't work, is a bad idea and cannot be taken into account by Devs? Ok so Devs need to end all the posts and leave only bugs posts.
No because every now and then someone gives good constructive feedback.
But most of the time it gets drowned out by people who would rather cry on a forum then watch a guide and try to not suck at the game.
Stop shifting the blame onto the players. It's not our fault that the game is designed badly and wastes your time for no reason. This is a feedback forum, and people are giving their feedback. They are not asking for build help, they are saying what they don't like about the game with the hopes that it can change so they can actually have fun.
The old "git gud" argument won't work forever.
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投稿者Toforto#2372日時 2025/05/07 14:00:59
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Stop shifting the blame onto the players. It's not our fault that the game is designed badly and wastes your time for no reason. This is a feedback forum, and people are giving their feedback. They are not asking for build help, they are saying what they don't like about the game with the hopes that it can change so they can actually have fun.
The old "git gud" argument won't work forever.
Its no one but your own fault that you are incapable of giving constructive criticism. If you dislike the game this much then just stop playing it and stop wasting your life living on a forum only to spread negativity.
Get a hobby.
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投稿者Nyon#6673日時 2025/05/07 14:02:40
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So you are thinking that people's ideas or thoughts or whatever is documented that didn't work, is a bad idea and cannot be taken into account by Devs? Ok so Devs need to end all the posts and leave only bugs posts.
No because every now and then someone gives good constructive feedback.
But most of the time it gets drowned out by people who would rather cry on a forum then watch a guide and try to not suck at the game.
Your complaining about something that literally isnt an issue and want them to remove something that is a necessary part of the game just because you dont want to get better at the game.
Reaching level 90 is hilariously easy. And going from 90-100 is aprox a 5% power increase. Do you need that 5% power to play the rest of the game? No.
Ok so its not a requirement. Do you find it fun to grind to level 100? Apperently you dont.
Ok so we have established that you dont have to reach level 100 and you dont enjoy grinding to level 100. And yet here you are complaining on a forum about something that is completely optional that you dont enjoy doing. Then just dont do it. I dont like ritual in this game, i never liked it in poe1 either. So I just dont do it, i dont sit all day making forum posts about having ritual removed because I dont like it.
The game needs a mechanic so dying in the game is a setback. If you dont have it then everyone can just make glass cannon builds and defense becomes pointless. You would just one shot everything and even if you die every now and then it doesnt matter because its still faster then if you built defense.
Also its a necessary part so that it feels rewarding to not die and then get rewarded with a few extra skill points.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/pZGyEuW1arU
I couldn't have said it better. What's crazy to me is these people ignore everything that's said, and then continue saying "xp loss bad and pointless and meaningless and not fun / unreasonable"
`Spent 2 mirrors on my build, but I'm only Level 98.` LOL
`From just quick sweep of your characters, toxic rain, golems .. sure, non meta... sure.` LOL
`What are divs?` 最後に LiMA6#0387 が 2025/05/07 14:03:11 に編集
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投稿者LiMA6#0387日時 2025/05/07 14:02:46保護観察中
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Reaching level 90 is hilariously easy. And going from 90-100 is aprox a 5% power increase. Do you need that 5% power to play the rest of the game? No.
You just made an argument for why losing XP on death is pointless without even knowing it. Especially a 10% XP loss after lvl 90 when it's already a huge grind to gain XP.
And no it doesn't eliminate glass cannon builds, it encourages glass cannons that clear the screen before getting hit. It encourages players to not engage with enemies because unless you have one of the few classes that can invest in high ES, defense just doesn't work well at all.
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投稿者qQbonmjtAZ#7824日時 2025/05/07 14:04:40
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So you are thinking that people's ideas or thoughts or whatever is documented that didn't work, is a bad idea and cannot be taken into account by Devs? Ok so Devs need to end all the posts and leave only bugs posts.
No because every now and then someone gives good constructive feedback.
But most of the time it gets drowned out by people who would rather cry on a forum then watch a guide and try to not suck at the game.
Stop shifting the blame onto the players. It's not our fault that the game is designed badly and wastes your time for no reason. This is a feedback forum, and people are giving their feedback. They are not asking for build help, they are saying what they don't like about the game with the hopes that it can change so they can actually have fun.
The old "git gud" argument won't work forever.
Imagine cooking your dinner chicken with chocolate and sugar instead of just salt and pepper and then complaining chicken tastes bad. git gud argument is valid.
`Spent 2 mirrors on my build, but I'm only Level 98.` LOL
`From just quick sweep of your characters, toxic rain, golems .. sure, non meta... sure.` LOL
`What are divs?`
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投稿者LiMA6#0387日時 2025/05/07 14:06:28保護観察中
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Reaching level 90 is hilariously easy. And going from 90-100 is aprox a 5% power increase. Do you need that 5% power to play the rest of the game? No.
You just made an argument for why losing XP on death is pointless without even knowing it. Especially a 10% XP loss after lvl 90 when it's already a huge grind to gain XP.
do you need me to throw an omen at you? or are you going to remember what you're told before sprouting 10% over and over.
`Spent 2 mirrors on my build, but I'm only Level 98.` LOL
`From just quick sweep of your characters, toxic rain, golems .. sure, non meta... sure.` LOL
`What are divs?`
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投稿者LiMA6#0387日時 2025/05/07 14:07:36保護観察中
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Imagine cooking your dinner chicken with chocolate and sugar instead of just salt and pepper and then complaining chicken tastes bad. git gud argument is valid.
What a horrible analogy
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投稿者qQbonmjtAZ#7824日時 2025/05/07 14:08:03
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