Five Weeks into 0.2.0, POE2 is Down 93.2% Players All Time & 83.9% from Patch Launch

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Kraythax#2592 が発言:

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enslavedemperor#5410 が発言:

You demonstrated multiple times in your threads that you are not open to discussion, but open to validation. Anyone who doesn't support your claims is deemed as toxic. By the way you yourself use a lot of words that just fuel the toxic environment (in this forum/section), are you exonerated of those accusations?

I have never approached rational discussion with anything other than debate. Not agreeing with people is not toxic. Sticking to my opinions unless evidence ways me is not toxic. You cannot force others to agree with you. By the same token saying "get gud" or "skill issue" are not rational discussion. They are bomb derogatory, usually miss the point of the posts (often intentionally) and in the end completely irrelevant to me. I don't even report such comments because I literally don't care.

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enslavedemperor#5410 が発言:

You were presented with facts, solutions, you chose to not listen and, guess what, mock those who dared to even question your statements, and demanded videos, and when told that you are deflecting by having such a request because it has, literally, no use due to how this discussion went and your standing to always come on top at all costs, again you went and accused that they have ill intent.

Now you are trying again to dismiss and paint people who came with arguments against your gameplay and build decisions as not thoughtful as the bad people, the people who actually destroy the game.

Off topic, wrong thread. take it there and I will reply eventually.

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enslavedemperor#5410 が発言:

And regarding your prestigious second group, very few people of that group actually come with actual feedback and reasoning, rest is just pseud-observational feedback driven by hateful emotions and recycling same ideas.

Every one of the people in that group has had ideas, feedback, suggestions and so on with FEW exceptions. That you don't like their suggestions doesn't render them non-existent. That you disagree doesn't render them invalid. Many of the suggestions are coming from GGG loyalists (like me) who really care about the game. In the very OP of this thread I make a dozen suggestions.

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enslavedemperor#5410 が発言:

If you were so well-intentioned why didn't you propose some actual solutions? Any idea to help GGG (devs) fix the "mess" they made. Why didn't you take your time to write a well structured post where you would dissect the bad things and propose, again, solutions? Ah, is easy to just bash the game and the work devs made and call it insufficient, not worthy of anything good but shame, after all they are 1 on 1 with Tencent, right? They are sell outs now!

Again, it appears you didnt read the OP completely. If you want to know the answers to that, if you REALLY want to know, then read and understand the OP.

As for flamers, they just bump my threads and I am grateful for that. They don't affect me personally in the slightest. I have been on the internet nearly 40 years and I am immune to such pressure. My audience isn't the flamers. Its actually GGG whom I hope reads, understands and makes changes based on the thread.

Interesting you state that your approach as being so down-to-earth, when, AGAIN, your actions speak otherwise, doesn't matter what you say, you proved with your replies to others that that approach you talk about is in the opposite direction.

Derogatory you say when you mock the people who came with feedback towards your issues? And have, again, demands for proof. Can't I just say: "you cannot make statements about PoE2 until you play it in an optimal way. And to take into consideration I want build showcase." that's how you sound. Your demand literally nullifies all feedback that has no video proof, I don't know if you realize.

It doesn't even matter that is not the same thread, is the same author. You won't reply, because you decided to close your eyes to any form of things that question your claims, why you say the opposite?

You yourself are flaming, isn't it a bit weird to call out others doing that? Didn't you mocked every single one of those individuals who DARED to, again, QUESTION you? You only take into account those others who agree with you, anyone else is null.

What feedback they had that wasn't emotional FEEDBACK, I want to know, that vast majority you speak about, where is the feedback that is not emotional in nature? "BUFF LOOT GGG, REMOVE SEKHEMA, REMOVE CHAOS, REMOVE ATLAS, REMOVE REMOVE REMOVE, BUFF THAT BUFF THIS BUFF EVERYTHING, GIVE US 1000% MOVEMENT SPEED, REMOVE ACTS, SKIP ACTS; THIS GAME IS SO BAD, GGG IS IN SHAMBLES, WORST GAME DESIGN I EVER SEEN, GAME IS DEAD" such valuable feedback, insane how could I not see the value.

I've seen so few threads that actually have a mannered tone in their delivery and that actually frame them in a way that open to discussion and not rekindle the emotional situation present on the forum (speaking as of 0.2 launch).

Acting like "skill issue" is not, in some circumstances, a valid feedback when presented with solutions (workarounds) and explanations to what you doing wrong is just pointless to even discuss at this point. No wonder you dismissed that.

They do affect you because you take them as personal attacks (which, to be honest can be seen, a bit, this way with this answer since I decided that a different approach won't work, so I question, a bit, your claims) as seen in your replies, again why you paint it like that?

No one said is not welcome to post, but when you mock devs, company and game in this so-called "deeply caring feedback" seems a bit strange to say you care. What do you care for? The mockery of the game? Throwing some "proposals" here and there to not make it look like a total accusatory post (smart move I would say).

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Fhrek#4437 が発言:

Exacly!

The healthy league cycle, people play, does everything they like to do and take a time off waiting for the new league. No forum backlash, not a massive feeling of discontentment or lose faith on the game evolution.

Can't wait to get healthy league cycles back. POE2 doesn't have it. POE1 has been on hold for an eon.

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Kerchunk#7797 が発言:

The reality is, the patch wasn't even that bad for an 0.2 EA build. Its rough spots were amplified by a ton of negativity on social media, but a lot of that was driven by the anger and disappointment of the aforementioned PoE1 diehards. There's a long list of major improvements in 0.2 that have basically gone completely unacknowledged in all the noise.

What is the long list of major improvements for 0.2?

33k for a mid patch I would say is pretty good. Everyone was praising LE and it has worse numbers so....

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xpose#1651 が発言:

33k for a mid patch I would say is pretty good. Everyone was praising LE and it has worse numbers so....

The game was hovering around 20-30k at the end of 0.1 life-cycle. It now having basically the same numbers so soon after 0.2 is out is uhh.. not very good. It means literally everybody left for other,more fun things.

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auspexa#1404 が発言:

my verdict remains, I am not playing this game until towers are removed.

I'm not coming back unless:

1) Auction House implemented
2) XP penalty removed
3) Mobs are appropriately balanced
4) Loot...useful loot...actually drops.
5) Skills are appropriately balanced
6) Defenses reach a state of 'pick 2' as opposed to 'pick ES'

So guess I'll be back somewhere between 2 years and never.

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Galtrovan#5344 が発言:

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Kerchunk#7797 が発言:

The reality is, the patch wasn't even that bad for an 0.2 EA build. Its rough spots were amplified by a ton of negativity on social media, but a lot of that was driven by the anger and disappointment of the aforementioned PoE1 diehards. There's a long list of major improvements in 0.2 that have basically gone completely unacknowledged in all the noise.

What is the long list of major improvements for 0.2?

None, basically. [Removed by Support]

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Toforto#2372 が発言:

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xpose#1651 が発言:

33k for a mid patch I would say is pretty good. Everyone was praising LE and it has worse numbers so....

The game was hovering around 20-30k at the end of 0.1 life-cycle. It now having basically the same numbers so soon after 0.2 is out is uhh.. not very good. It means literally everybody left for other,more fun things.

Well yeah, theres a ton of new games that are out and this is an early access game. I wouldn't expect people to be sticking around when this patch was pretty rough and added no new content.

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enslavedemperor#5410 が発言:

No one said is not welcome to post, but when you mock devs, company and game in this so-called "deeply caring feedback" seems a bit strange to say you care. What do you care for? The mockery of the game? Throwing some "proposals" here and there to not make it look like a total accusatory post (smart move I would say).

The whole post was judgemental and derisive towards those you don't agree with. Lets take someone saying "REMOVE SEKHIMA!" Well there is a reason they are saying that. Clearly immense frustration with what was an EXTREMELY UNPOPULAR league mechanic in POE1. Its almost like GGG selected the WORST ideas they have ever had and said "lets make these mandatory." As a result average players like me have never gotten that 4th ascendancy and that drives people out of the game. In POE1, Trial of the Sekhimas is a league mechanic called Sanctum and the other trials mechanic is called Ultimatum. Both were never touched until end game and required highly specialized builds and were generally hated as league mechanics.

The problem here is that you aren't willing to accept the feedback of people who dislike major parts of POE2. You want accept it so everyone that has that feedback is "emotional" and that makes it easy to dismiss the feedback without even considering it. Those that debate you are perceived as hostile. Trust me support probably reads all my posts at this point, if I said anything hostile they would remove it. But I do my best to stay within the rules. The players taking the time to post, usually before leaving, wish that the game wasn't like that and thus want it to succeed. And for every one of those there are probably 10 that don't bother and just silently leave because they don't want to deal with what the other posters went through.

Then when someone says, "Oh I stink at the game? OK lets see a video of how you do it." You consider that hostile. No its simply the fact that people state opinions that they cant support with fact. If someone could take the cold huntress and make her sing, we would have already seen the video posted to that thread. I would be willing to bet a few people silently tried and thought, dang that dude was on target! The reality is you cant make it work with skills that are obviously intended to work together. The build is slow and not because it is built wrong but because that is the decision GGG has made. They see that cold huntress that you say "you must be missing damage" and think "nope, that's exactly how we want it to go for the player." My point then is to address that GGG decision. That this slog doesn't enhance the game, it makes it ... well ... most likely a massive financial failure.

It's just the cycle. I'm giving it until the next patch to give it another go. Don't need to play every patch. You'll see huge uptick on 0.3.0 or something similar. They have the algo down on releasing things.

With the release of Oblivion Remastered you can expect millions of potential players are currently elsewhere. lol.