XP loss on death is seriously demotivating

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Nyon#6673 が発言:

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Echothesis#7320 が発言:

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Nyon#6673 が発言:

Also just fyi Zizaran didnt die to a "random one shot". He died to Arbiter of Ash, to a mechanic that in no way is random.

All monster damage calculations in arpg involve randomness, poe included. Even if this specific pinnacle boss wasn't affected by a list of area modifiers, there are no 2 casts that do same damage.

Which is why top-down diablo-style arpg can NEVER be a souls-like experience, poe included. Attempting to jury-rig harsh penalties to hazards players have no control over achieves nothing but causing part of the playerbase to quit. Same goes for trying to fit parry-riposte mechanics, it just stops working when there are 20 monsters on screen all using different kinds of attacks.

I fail to see what your point is or how its in any way related to my comment.

Its not a random mechanic, its a mechanic the boss uses everytime.
If the mechanic hits you, you die. There is no part about it thats random.
And all the complaints your listing are not related to this boss or its mechanics.

It is related because judging enemy damage is important part of survival. In souls-like you are encouraged to never get hit, in diablo-style you will get hit no matter what. Poe has unusually large amount of random layers on enemies, producing enormous damage spread for any given mob. As we cannot know this damage in advance (unlike soulslike where we learn it once), we should not be penalised for something that will by design kill us sooner or later. This is what people call "random oneshots", term you pretend to not understand in your other posts.

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Echothesis#7320 が発言:

It is related because judging enemy damage is important part of survival. In souls-like you are encouraged to never get hit, in diablo-style you will get hit no matter what. Poe has unusually large amount of random layers on enemies, producing enormous damage spread for any given mob. As we cannot know this damage in advance (unlike soulslike where we learn it once), we should not be penalised for something that will by design kill us sooner or later. This is what people call "random oneshots", term you pretend to not understand in your other posts.

1. I still dont see how its related to my comment. Because even if the arbiter hallway mechanic has a damage variable to it, it doesnt matter because afaik you cant tank it on any build. So its not really random, if you get hit it kills you.

2. Nothing about what your typing is random. The mobs have a damage value, which is increased by factors like map mods and rare mods. The fact that the mobs might have inherently a small damage variable is in no way a justification for saying that the game is filled with random one shots. Because its not random at all. You can pay attention to what mods the map has and what mods the rare has, and you will have a fairly good understanding of how much damage it will deal.

If the game was infact filled with random one shots then there wouldnt be a hardcore community, because it would be completetly unresonable to reach endgame content if you could just get randomly one shot with no way to avoid it.
The fact is that you can avoid it by understanding how the mechanics work and paying attention to what mods are on your maps. Your trying to use randomness as an excuse for your bad gameplay.

These threads all amount to the same result. Two people need to put on lip gloss and get a room.

XP loss sucks and is the #1 reason POE2 gets uninstalled grom MY HD each time. It is off the HD again for who know how long to cool off this time. Good weather has arrived F thid game for a while.

Im pushin 60 yrs old and have no patience for GGGs vision or disrespect of my time allocation for this game. What I would give for a true non live service version of this game minus the elites where it had a workshop with Mods and community made content. But the truth is that the ONLY thing keeping this alive is the facad of many players and an ecomomy that isnt even necessary in a single player game. The one common theme in all these fake live service multiplayer games is people spitting on how you choose to play or people with superiority complexes that have no achievements in real life and the devs capitalize on that truth.

Problem for them is the more Whales they piss off the less big spenders left.

I prob spent close to a grand in .1

.2 they aint got a single $ from me.

I am 100% certain based on Steam reviews alone that I am not a lone wolf.

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rhalbhub#0570 が発言:

These threads all amount to the same result. Two people need to put on lip gloss and get a room.

XP loss sucks and is the #1 reason POE2 gets uninstalled each time. It is off the HD again for who know how long to cool off this time. Good weather has arrived F thid game for a while.

Im pushin 60 yrs old and have no patience for GGGs vision or disrespect of my time allocation for this game.

Problem for them is the more Whales they piss off the less big spenders left.

I prob spent close to a grand in .1

.2 they aint got a single $ from me.

I am 100% certain based on Steam reviews alone that I am not a lone wolf.

Where are you getting your information from that exp loss is the #1 reason people quit playing?

Please provide evidence because from the majority of the feedback ive seen this isnt even mentioned.

You cant just make up your own facts to try and justify your opinion.

I dont even need to debate that detail. It is a common theme if you spend more than 2minutes searching. Peace.

If you read that at all you would realize I was speaking for myself.

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rhalbhub#0570 が発言:

I dont even need to debate that detail. It is a common theme if you spend more than 2minutes searching. Peace.

Well if it was that obvious then it should take no time to provide the requested evidence / examples.

So we have established that you just make up your own facts to try and justify your argument and when asked has nothing to provide.

Read again. I was speaking why it was the #1 reason 'I' uninstalled. Seriously. Something wrong with folk today. Let me go edit it for you ok?

Ive established YOU are a level 100 Keyboard Warrior is your mommy proud?

Back on topic XP loss is a common hate point.

Simple search will show threads 20 to 30 deep go read Steam reviews.

30% now mostly negative....is that evidence enough for you people arw not happy? And Befor ya try and rape me in public sir/lady keyboard warrior...I am not saying every negative review is due to xp loss.

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rhalbhub#0570 が発言:

Read again. I was speaking why it was the #1 reason 'I' uninstalled. Seriously. Something wrong with folk today. Let me go edit it for you ok?

Ive established YOU are a level 100 Keyboard Warrior is your mommy proud?

Back on topic XP loss is a common hate point.

Simple search will show threads 20 to 30 deep go read Steam reviews.

30% now mostly negative....is that evidence enough for you people arw not happy? And Befor ya try and rape me in public sir/lady keyboard warrior...I am not saying every negative review is due to xp loss.

Thanks for proving my point that your just being disingenuous.

You can see in my reply where I quoted you that you typed:
"XP loss sucks and is the #1 reason POE2 gets uninstalled each time."

You can then see in your original post that you typed:
"XP loss sucks and is the #1 reason POE2 gets uninstalled grom MY HD each time."
This post was edited by you 8mins after I replied to you (as seen in the bottom).

Nothing in your original post says that your talking about yourself, your making a general statement as it being the #1 reason for people quitting.
This is further proved by you trying to defend it after I point out your mistake.

1. Steam reviews being negative is in no way evidence of what the reason for that is. I tought this should be fairly obvious to everyone?
So just because something is having bad reviews you can just decide for yourself what the reason for that is?
I just read the last 10 negative reviews and exp loss was mentioned once.

2. There is usually one to two forum threads about this, usually being bumped by the same 5-10 people. There is currently a "poll" (not really a poll since its biased and only gives you one option but lets roll with it).

This currently has 22 interactions in favor of it. Some of these claiming to have quit playing.
According to steamcharts poe2 has:
43 430, 24 hour player peak.

So your "facts" is based off of the opinions of 0.05% of the playerbase.
And this would be even lower if you took into account the players who have quit playing.

3. There are numerous videos of content creators either making reaction videos or podcast interviews talking about the good and bad sides of poe2.
Ive watched alot of these and not once have I ever heard exp loss being mentioned.
Please provide evidence to the contrary if Im mistaken.

So you have no evidence or examples, your trying to change your statements after the fact and your whole argument is based off of the opinions of 0.05% of the playerbase on a forum.
Surely we can agree that calling this "facts" is a stretch.

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Nyon#6673 が発言:

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Echothesis#7320 が発言:

It is related because judging enemy damage is important part of survival. In souls-like you are encouraged to never get hit, in diablo-style you will get hit no matter what. Poe has unusually large amount of random layers on enemies, producing enormous damage spread for any given mob. As we cannot know this damage in advance (unlike soulslike where we learn it once), we should not be penalised for something that will by design kill us sooner or later. This is what people call "random oneshots", term you pretend to not understand in your other posts.

1. I still dont see how its related to my comment. Because even if the arbiter hallway mechanic has a damage variable to it, it doesnt matter because afaik you cant tank it on any build. So its not really random, if you get hit it kills you.

2. Nothing about what your typing is random. The mobs have a damage value, which is increased by factors like map mods and rare mods. The fact that the mobs might have inherently a small damage variable is in no way a justification for saying that the game is filled with random one shots. Because its not random at all. You can pay attention to what mods the map has and what mods the rare has, and you will have a fairly good understanding of how much damage it will deal.

If the game was infact filled with random one shots then there wouldnt be a hardcore community, because it would be completetly unresonable to reach endgame content if you could just get randomly one shot with no way to avoid it.
The fact is that you can avoid it by understanding how the mechanics work and paying attention to what mods are on your maps. Your trying to use randomness as an excuse for your bad gameplay.

1. Arbiter doesn't even have exp loss now, so in case it wasn't obvious I wasn't speaking about your streamer - sorry, I wasn't speaking about your streamer.

2. Paying attention worked in D2 because rare mob options were limited, you eventually developed a gut feeling when to fight and when to flee. In poe it just doesn't work, no one will bother to learn combinations like "Mob skill X + added as chaos + aps boost". Poe is about wandering in blind and hoping your stat checks will hold.

This is opposite of soulslike gameplay, and every map which buffs mobs or debuffs players can lead to unexpected alpha hit on you. So yes, game is "filled with random oneshots" by definition. No way GGG had ever checked/balanced all those combinations, they just released it and slapped penalties on top.

About "hardcore community" - first they all sit on logout macros and heavily use POB before playing, second they spend a lot more time to do everything in game, third they do lose characters from time to time at high levels, anyone claiming otherwise is full of shit.

Random deaths are part of Diablo-style games by design, penalising players for it is like randomly removing their gear on a schedule - it is possible to do, but WHY?

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Warrax#2850 が発言:

At some point you have to settle and accept that your current level is the "max" level, as soon as you accept this...exp loss won't matter anymore. Your character is pretty much done leveling.

Yes, it's so much this. But then you have people who see 100 as the theoretical maximum and they think they have to reach it against all logic and at the sacrifice of their own fun. Like, what's the point?