Five Weeks into 0.2.0, POE2 is Down 93.2% Players All Time & 83.9% from Patch Launch

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kumogakure#7381 が発言:

I feel POE2 has a negative-start design.

I started a brand new character with zero currency in 0.2.0g to test it out, and it occurred to me that POE2 is a game where you start in a negative state and gradually reclaim powers and tools that would make the game a properly enjoyable experience.

For example, early game we have extremely slow movement speed, yet we are expected to deal with packs of multiple wolves and multiple ranged mobs that force us to stay on the move.

When you get enough movement speed, then the nerfed monster speeds feel much better, because you can actually move out of the way now, among all the light stuns that keep interrupting your movement (and worse, pull you back slightly due to network latency).

And to deal with those stuns? You need defenses, either in the form of straight Max Life, or with Stun Threshold, or with a combination of passives and Energy Shield. But all of these rely on you having the "right" affixes on your gear, which relies on your currency slams rolling the right affixes, which relies on you getting enough currency drops and enough item bases to even get to slam.

So POE2 essentially forces everybody to play a negative start, and that's why it's not enjoyable for a lot of people until you reach endgame.

Sure there are people who enjoy this, and those are the people who now complain the endgame is too easy and zoom-zoom-zoom is boring.

The solution is really simple, IMO.

Build the game for the masses by having a positive-design philosophy, start everyone with the tools for combat (movement speed) and crafting (omens and essences and plenty of currency), and design league mechanics that build on top of this.

For people who are looking for a negative start, make a challenge mode with harsh drop rates and negative penalties on movement speed etc.

This way you satisfy both groups of people.

But yeah, I know, GGG doesn't seem to want to do that. And what's worse is that they think they're doing people a favor by taking that stance. It would have been better if they just realize it and say it to themselves: "we don't want to cater to people who don't like this design." And stop lying to themselves thinking that players don't know better.

The negative feedback threads were the first sign. The dropping player count would be the outcome. GGG needs to rethink their design philosophy sooner than later, because eventually more and more people will just give up and find other games, by which time we won't even care what changes happen in POE2, and those changes would just piss off people who love how it is already.

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Pl4t1numX#4325 が発言:

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Annastasia_Steele#3866 が発言:

question is, when do we get major update ?

I think game needs MASSIVE overhaul in terms of crafting + looting + endgame.

the problem is, ggg thinks that the game is good. thats the reason there are no major changes in these things. thats the reason they are wasting time right now in doing quality of life patches while the whole game sucks. they still dont realize that the game sucks in so many ways. im not sure if its even possible to fix it because they are so stubborn on their vision that nobody wants.

im playing poe1 for over 10 years, and right now my interest in playing poe2 is zero. simply because the endgame sucks, trials suck, melee sucks, map layouts suck, towers suck, the atlas sucks, there is no crafting, movement skills and dodge suck etc. and what are they doing? oh look, now i get more loot out of strongboxes. who cares? the game is a 2/10 and they are wasting their time in order to make it a 2,000001/10 instead of fixing the things that make it suck.
they rly achieved the impossible, making a game thats worse than their first in every single aspect than visuals.

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rob_korn#1745 が発言:

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evermilioon#4881 が発言:

Just be honest with yourself poe as a whole never had the best player retention,and the best it ever was (player retention wise) is in poe2.

It only holds for 0.1, and anything less than that would have been a dead on arrival.
Of course people will spend longer checking everything, anywhere on the spectrum between those that actually like the game, to stubborn ppl not liking it but keeping on going for the sake of the test/goodwill.

On the other hand, now that the honeymoon effect is fading off, the story is very different. 0.2 has amongst the worst retentions ever.

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ShaDarkLord#6528 が発言:

A 90% drop in the playerbase within just one month (and that’s likely a generous estimate, considering bots) says everything about the game's actual health. And no, it’s not because everyone completed all the content.

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matma#0311 が発言:

Theyve got work to do on PoE2, for sure, but focusing at all on PoE1 is creative and (eventually) financial suicide.

The smartest thing they could do is rip the band-aid and sundown PoE1 tomorrow. Apologize that they thought they could do both, queue up previous leagues that rotate quarterly, press shuffle, and turn off the lights.

Any amount of time given to a 10 year old game, at the expense of the 6 month old one, is more detrimental than actually throwing money away.

The stats are laughable. Poe2 had an unpopular early access patch in an already crowded month for gamers. 6 months ago the PAID PoE2 launch doubled FREE PoEs all time players. Nobody talks about that, and they shouldnt, because trying to glean anything from early access stats is an insane reach.

Is this how the PoE community acts when there is one bad patch? Its no wonder that one dude retired young. Yikes.

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evermilioon#4881 が発言:

At least it took 3 weeks for that.
People stop playing a new poe1 league in the 1st week, as soon as they get to the repetitive 2 screen clear gameplay.
Just be honest with yourself poe as a whole never had the best player retention,and the best it ever was (player retention wise) is in poe2.

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matma#0311 が発言:

The smartest thing they could do is rip the band-aid and sundown PoE1 tomorrow. Apologize that they thought they could do both

The smartest thing they could do is rip the band-aid and sundown PoE1 tomorrow. Apologize that they thought they could do both

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Is this how the PoE community acts when there is one bad patch? Its no wonder that one dude retired young. Yikes.

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Kraythax#2592 が発言:

Actual stats available on SteamCharts prove this to be inaccurate, wildly inaccurate.

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matma#0311 が発言:

Theyve got work to do on PoE2, for sure, but focusing at all on PoE1 is creative and (eventually) financial suicide.

The smartest thing they could do is rip the band-aid and sundown PoE1 tomorrow. Apologize that they thought they could do both, queue up previous leagues that rotate quarterly, press shuffle, and turn off the lights.

Any amount of time given to a 10 year old game, at the expense of the 6 month old one, is more detrimental than actually throwing money away.

The stats are laughable. Poe2 had an unpopular early access patch in an already crowded month for gamers. 6 months ago the PAID PoE2 launch doubled FREE PoEs all time players. Nobody talks about that, and they shouldnt, because trying to glean anything from early access stats is an insane reach.

Is this how the PoE community acts when there is one bad patch? Its no wonder that one dude retired young. Yikes.